Magic Is Real. Quantum Physics Reveals How (Dean Radin)
Chief Scientist of The Institute of Noetic Sciences joins us for a fascinating conversation on human potential
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"Most of the greatest advancements in science and technology, religion and politics come from that realm beyond ordinary consciousness. The inspirations, the insights, the things that become the next worldview, come from this other place." (17:25 in this cast)
Dr. Dean Radin, is the Chief Scientist at the Institute of Noetic Sciences (IONS), and the author of bestselling books like Real Magic and The Consciousness Universe.
He has dedicated his career to exploring the boundaries of mind-matter interaction, and his research has been published in over 100 academic journals worldwide.
Many of us sense there's more to reality than our materialist paradigm suggests, yet the scientific evidence for phenomena like telepathy and precognition remains poorly understood.
In this conversation we examine the scientific evidence for these abilities that could fundamentally transform our understanding of what it means to be human.
This episode is great for:
Anyone interested in unexplained phenomena and human potential
Meditators curious about siddhis/extraordinary abilities
Those bridging science and spirituality
Ideas that really stuck out to me:
“Magic” has categories: What is conventionally thought of magic generally falls into three areas:
Enchantment: Mind-matter interactions (validated through quantum physics studies). i.e. someone affecting matter through their mind.
Divination: Perceiving through space and time (supported by precognition research) i.e. psychics.
Theurgy: Interaction with non-human intelligence or consciousness. i.e. connecting with spirits.
Quantum observer effect: This quantum observer effect suggests observation plays a direct role in shaping physical reality. In quantum experiments, particles don't have defined properties until they're observed or measured. This suggests a deep connection between mind and matter, and also adds complexity to this field of study because the person performing the study seems to impact the outcome.
The research already exists: Research consistently shows humans have capabilities far beyond the conventional model understanding, including:
Brain-to-brain correlations at a distance (verified through multiple studies)
Physiological responses preceding future events (demonstrated through "presentiment" experiments)
Direct mental influence on physical systems (shown through quantum measurement studies)
Genetics have a role in extraordinary abilities: There appears to be a genetic component to expanded human capabilities, similar to other talents like athletes. Dean's research has identified genetic markers associated with psychic abilities, leading to fascinating possibilities for understanding and potentially enhancing these natural human traits.
Breakthrough beyond intellect: Most groundbreaking innovations and insights throughout history have come from accessing deeper levels of consciousness beyond ordinary awareness. Examples include Albert Einstein’s breakthrough on relativity, discovery of the periodic table, and even Paul McCartney’s song Yesterday! This suggests developing these capabilities could accelerate human progress across all fields.
Conventional institutions are slowing down our understanding: The resistance to studying these phenomena comes from both scientific and religious institutions, creating a taboo that has slowed progress. However, quantum physics is providing a framework that may finally bridge this gap.
Dean’s work suggests that by carefully investigating rather than rejecting anomalous phenomena, we may discover natural principles that explain what we've historically called magic.
This offers an exciting middle path between blind belief and rigid materialism. Dean and groups like IONS are paving the way for greater human potential with the work.
It was an absolute honor to learn from him and I’m excited to track everything they’re doing moving forward. I hope you enjoy this conversation!
- Scott
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Recommended Resources:
Real Magic - Exploring the science behind magical phenomena
Upcoming Book: "Enchantment" (Summer 2025)
Episode Transcript
Show notes:
00:00 - The Origins of Noetic Sciences
02:58 - Exploring Consciousness and Its Mysteries
06:08 - Research Methodologies at the Institute of Noetic Sciences
09:09 - Diverse Areas of Study in Noetic Sciences
11:53 - Understanding Presentiment and Precognition
15:01 - The Nature of Experience and Reality
18:09 - Resistance to Investigating Noetic Phenomena
20:57 - The Future of Noetic Sciences and Funding Challenges
32:07 - Exploring the Quantum Observer Effect
38:12 - Investigating Genetic Components of Psychic Abilities
42:32 - Innovations in Consciousness Enhancement
46:56 - The Role of Epigenetics in Psychic Phenomena
54:05 - Historical Context of Psychic Abilities
01:00:55 - The Intersection of Science and Magic
Excellent. Thanks!
All is beyond what we think